G3 – RUSSIA/MIL/US/ROMANIA – Russia knew about USA’s missile shield plans in Romania – deputy minister
2013-03-11 00:00 GMT
This is a little more toned down response from Russia…
On 5/13/11 7:42 AM, Benjamin Preisler wrote:
Russia knew about USA’s missile shield plans in Romania – deputy
minister
Text of report in English by corporate-owned Russian military news
agency Interfax-AVN
Moscow, 13 May: Russia has called on NATO and the USA not to rush the
implementation of the plans on missile defence in Europe until legally
binding agreements are adopted, Russian Deputy Defence Minister Anatoliy
Antonov told reporters on Friday [13 May].
“As for the US-Romanian agreements on the creation of a military element
on the territory of Romania, it was no surprise to us. We know very well
about the USA’s plans. We are monitoring the situation in Europe
closely,” Antonov said.
“We always call on our partners not to rush the implementation of their
plans until we reach agreements. We should not overtake the dialogue
between Russia and the NATO countries and the US on missile defence
issues. Otherwise such negotiations may be regarded as a shield for the
realization of their plans,” he said.
On 3 May, the USA and Romania announced that they had reached an
agreement on the location of a US missile interception base in the
former Romanian air base Deveselu.
Source: Interfax-AVN military news agency, Moscow, in English 1040 gmt
13 May 11
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1. (SECRET – ENTIRE TEXT.) AWLC will not relese now the capter one whit names and adress and phones for future use in the future DOX. THX for understanding.
2. DURING MY SHORT STAY IN ROMANIA I MET WITH FOREIGN
MINISTER ALAC, DEPUTY FOREIGN MINISTER NEAGU, JUSTICE
MINISTER POP, RELIGIOUS affairs MINISTER STOICESCU,
LEADERS OF THE TRADITIONAL POLITICAL PARTIES (PEASANTS,
NATIONAL LIBERALS, AND SOCIAL DEMOCRATS) AND LEADERS OF
TWO NEWLY CREATED LABOR UNIONS. I SPOKE AT LENGTH TO
THE AMBASSADOR, THE DCM, AND POLITICAL OFFICERS AND
FOUND ALL OF THEM IN STRONG AGREEMENT IN THEIR
ASSESSMENT OF THE SITUATION HERE: IF ANYONE CAN SAVE
ROMANIA FROM THE CHAOS IT WILL HAVE TO BE THE NATIONAL
SALVATION FRONT, THAT THE FRONT’S BASIC INCLINATION IS
TO ESTABLISH A DEMOCRACY, THAT OUR INVOLVEMENT IN
ROMANIA CAN STRENGTHEN THAT INCLINATION, THAT THE
LEADERS OF THE OLD PARTIES SIMPLY DON’T HAVE WHAT IT
TAKES TO LEAD, AND THAT THERE IS NO OTHER POLITICAL
FORCE ON THE SCENE. THE EMBASSY ALSO BELIEVES THAT
ANALYSES MADE IN WASHINGTON ON THE BASIS OF VARIOUS
FRAGMENTS OF information LACK THE FEELING THAT CAN BE
PROVIDED ONLY BY ON-THE-SPOT OBSERVATION. I FIND
MYSELF IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH ALL ASPECTS OF THE
EMBASSY’S ASSESSMENT.
3. NONE OF THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS WITH WHOM I MET
REFLECTED ANY COMMUNIST THINKING IN THEIR REMARKS TO
ME. THE EMBASSY STRONGLY PROTESTED AGAINST THE
TRASHING OF PEASANT PARTY HEADQUARTERS BY FRONT
SUPPORTERS AND I BELIEVE THE PROTEST WAS DULY NOTED.
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT OUR POLICY SHOULD BE BASED ON
THAT SINGLE INCIDENT. IF ACTIONS OF THIS KIND EVER
BECOME A PATTERN, WE WOULD, OF COURSE, HAVE TO
REASSESS THE SITUATION.
4. JUSTICE MINISTER POP SPENT QUITE SOME TIME
OUTLINING HIS OBJECTIVES. HE WAS CLEARLY WELL VERSED
IN WESTERN LEGAL THINKING. HE SPOKE OF PLANS FOR THE
ADOPTION OF A NEW CONSTITUTION AND GUARANTEEING
INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS AND DEMOCRATIC GOVERNMENT. HE SPOKE
ALSO OF HIS PLANS TO ESTABLISH AN INDEPENDENT JUDICIAL
SYSTEM. I DID NOT HAVE THE IMPRESSION THAT HE WAS
MOUTHING PHRASES. IT SEEMED ALL WELL THOUGHT THROUGH
AND GENUINE.
5. RELIGIOUS AFFAIRS MINISTER STOICESCU WAS A
DISAPPOINTMENT ONLY BECAUSE HE WAS SO STRONG AN
ORTHODOX BELIEVER THAT HE LEFT ME WITH THE IMPRESSION
THAT OTHER DENOMINATIONS MIGHT NOT GET A FAIR SHAKE.
I TRIED TO IMPRESS ON HIM THAT HE MUST LIVE UP TO
ROMANIA’S HELSINKI COMMITMENT TO RESPECT ALL RELIGIONS
AND URGED HIM TO ENGAGE IN A DIALOGUE WITH THE EMBASSY
ON THIS SUBJECT. STOICESCU IS CLEARLY A LONG-TERM
ENEMY OF COMMUNISM, COMING FROM THE OLD-LINE
CONSERVATIVE CAMP. AS I WAS PREACHING TO HIM ABOUT
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM, HE EYED ME SUSPICIOUSLY AT ONE
POINT AND ASKED WHETHER I WAS A BAPTIST. (THE
BAPTISTS WANT HIS MINISTRY TO BE ABOLISHED.)
6. THE FOREIGN MINISTRY OFFICIALS STRONGLY EMPHASIZED
THEIR INTENTIONS TO HAVE ROMANIA LIVE UP TO ALL ITS
OBLIGATIONS UNDER THE HELSINKI FINAL ACT. CELAC
TENDED TO BE SOMEWHAT OBNOXIOUS IN HIS COMPLAINT ABOUT
U.S. ALLEGED FAILURE TO EXPRESS ITSELF IN SUPPORT OF
ROMANIAN DEMOCRACY. HE MEANT THAT WE HAD NOT SENT A
SIGNAL IN THE DIRECTION OF THE NSF.
7. AS TO THE LEADER OF THE TRADITIONAL PARTIES, I WAS
LEFT WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY HAVE SIMPLY COME
OUT OF RETIREMENT TO ANNOUNCE THAT THEY HAVE
SURVIVED. IT DOES NOT SEEM AS IF THEY HAVE MADE MUCH
OF AN EFFORT TO PUT AN ORGANIZATION TOGETHER.
NEVERTHELESS, GIVEN THE AD HOC CHARACTER OF THE NEW
GOVERNMENT AND THE GENERAL ATTITUDE OF UNCERTAINTY,
THE INCLUSION OF REPRESENTATIVES OF THE TRADITIONAL
PARTIES IN THE TRANSITION GOVERNMENT WOULD BE OF
SYMBOLIC VALUE AND WOULD HAVE A REASSURING EFFECT ON
THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
8. MY OVERALL IMPRESSION, BASED ON WHAT I HAVE READ AS
WELL AS WHAT I SAW IN BUCHAREST, IS THE FOLLOWING: THE
ROMANIAN COMMUNIST PARTY THAT EMERGED AT THE END OF THE
STALIN ERA HAS LIKE THE OTHER COMMUNIST PARTIES IN
EASTERN EUROPE IN THAT IT WAS HELD TOGETHER BY A STRONG
IDEOLOGY AND CLOSE BONDS OF MUTUAL LOYALTY AMONG
MEMBERS OF THE NOMENKLATURA. AS IN THE CASE OF OTHER
PARTIES, THE IDEOLOGY EVAPORATED IN THE SEVENTIES. BUT
UNLIKE THE OTHER PARTIES, IN WHICH FRATERNAL BONDS KEPT
THE NOMENKLATURA TOGETHER, THE COMMUNIST PARTY BONDS IN
ROMANIA DISSOLVED AS CEAUSESCU ESTABLISHED WHAT WAS IN
EFFECT A BYZANTINE IMPERIAL COURT. THERE WERE NO
LONGER ANY FRATERNAL BONDS. THERE WAS ONLY A DIRECT
LINE OF LOYALTY FROM EACH INDIVIDUAL COURTIER TO
CEAUSESCU. ANY OFFICIAL WHO CROSSED THE LEADER OR
DISPLEASED HIM OR WAS DENOUNCED WAS DEMOTED, FIRED, OR
JAILED.
9. GIVEN THE FOREGOING STATE OF AFFAIRS, CEAUSESCU’S
DEATH CAUSED THE ENTIRE SYSTEM TO SHATTER OVERNIGHT.
THERE WAS NO COMMUNIST LEADERSHIP GROUP TO CLOSE RANKS,
AS IN BULGARIA AFTER ZHIVKOV’S OUSTER. CEAUSESCU’S
MINIONS HAD NO RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER. THEY FELL
BY THE WAYSIDE. WHAT THEN CAME TOGETHER WERE THE
PEOPLE WHO HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN OUSTED FROM PROMINENT
POSITIONS, WHO THEN JOINED WITH MORE JUNIOR OFFICIALS
IN AN EFFORT TO PUT TOGETHER A GOVERNMENT CAPABLE OF
FUNCTIONING.
10. TO BE SURE, MOST OF THE NEW LEADERS WERE ONCE
COMMUNISTS, WHETHER OF THE BELIEVING OR THE OPPORTUNIST
VARIETY. CAN THEY BE TRUSTED NOW? I BELIEVE THEY CAN
BECAUSE (A) THEIR PERSONAL EXPERIENCE HAS EMBITTERED
THEM AGAINST TOTALITARIAN RULE (THEY USE THAT TERM|),
AND (B) EVEN IF THEY ARE CYNICS (AND I AM SURE NONE OF
THEM ARE), THEY KNOW WHICH WAY THE WIND IS BLOWING AND
WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO TO GET THE FOREIGN HELP THEY NEED.
11. AS THE NSF APPEARS FOR THE TIME BEING TO BE THE
ONLY GAME IN TOWN TO KEEP ROMANIA FUNCTIONING AND AS WE
CAN BRING OUR INFLUENCE TO BEAR TO STEER THE FRONT IN
THE RIGHT DIRECTION, I STRONGLY CONCUR IN THE BUCHAREST
EMBASSY’S APPROACH AND RECOMMENDATIONS.
MATLOCK
View from expert – missile shield in Romania
2013-03-11 00:00 GMT
ROMANIA this should go?
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From: Marko Papic <marko.papic@stratfor.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:26:58 -0600
To: Eugene Chausovsky<eugene.chausovsky@stratfor.com>
Cc: Kyle Rhodes<kyle.rhodes@stratfor.com>; Nathan
Hughes<hughes@stratfor.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: View from expert – missile shield in Romania]
Let’s get Nate in on this question… He knows better than we do, and also
it gives us good visibility if there are more Stratfor analysts responding
the questions.
Eugene Chausovsky wrote:
Hey man, pretty swamped this morning and honestly this is a question
that would be better answered by Nate on the technical/military side –
or do you have any insight into this Marko?
Kyle Rhodes wrote:
Got any time to answer this? I have no problem with saying we’re not
available for this if you’re swamped – they should’ve had all of their
questions in line from the start.
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Subject: Re: View from expert – missile shield in Romania
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 09:33:21 +0200
From: Michael Bird <michael.bird@thediplomat.ro>
To: Kyle Rhodes <kyle.rhodes@stratfor.com>
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Thanks very much Kyle
– I have one additional question, which I don’t know whether Mr
Chausovsky or another expert will be able to answer –
We are trying to determine where [geographically] such a missile
shield would be best placed. Although we understand that there is no
SM-3 land-based system currently in existence, taking into account
other similar installations, what properties would the location need
to have in order to be compliant with the demands of the missile
shield?
thanks again for your help
Michael Bird
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From: Kyle Rhodes
To: Michael Bird
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: View from expert – missile shield in Romania
Michael,
Below you’ll find responses by Eugene Chausovsky, Eurasia Analyst.
Also, please cite STRATFOR as a global intelligence company and, if
possible, please include a live link to http://www.stratfor.com along with
the online version of your article.
Finally, would you mind sending me a link to the story when it
publishes?
Best,
Kyle
What are the wider implications of the missile shield in Romania on
the security of the Balkan region, especially on relations between
NATO states and the Middle East, as well as on multi-billion euro
pipeline projects [such as Nabucco] planned between the two zones?
The purpose of the ballistic missile defense (BMD) system that the
United States plans to station in Romania, along with possibly other
Balkan and Central European countries like Poland and Bulgaria, is
to strengthen the U.S. security alliance with these countries. It
should be noted, however, that the main security threats to these
countries comes (or is perceived to come) not from the Middle East,
but from Russia. These alliance developments have not been met
lightly by Moscow, with Russia expressing concern and seeing the
placement of the BMD system as a risk to its security. Also, the
Russian-backed breakaway republic of Transniestria in Moldova said
it was willing to allow Russia to place its own offensive weapons,
Iskander missiles, in its territory shortly after Romania said it
would participate in the BMD system by stationing land-based
interceptors on its own territory. While the Middle East,
particularly Iran, is considered a threat by NATO states, the BMD
impact on relations is clearly greater and more immediate between
NATO and Russia.
As for Nabucco, that remains a project that is still in the
discussion and planning stages and there are no indications that
actual construction will get underway and be completed in the next
few years. While there is much potential to take energy supplies
from the Middle East and the Caucasus directly to Europe via
Nabucco, it is unclear where exactly this gas would come from and it
remains an extremely expensive and technologically challenging
venture. Also, there is another European natural gas project, the
Nord Stream pipeline that flows from Russia directly to Germany
under the Baltic Sea, which has already secured financing and is set
to begin construction within months and be completed by 2011. There
is, therefore, no strong correlation between the BMD system and
Nabucco, simply because it faces other more direct challenges.
Following the announcement of the planned missile shield for
Romania, how necessary is it now for there to be another NATO
missile shield [as was discussed in summits in 2009 and 2008] when
the potential threat [from the east, potentially Iran] is covered by
US’s PAA in Romania, Aegis in the Mediterranean, Israel’s Arrow and
while Turkey has its own ABM system planned [although not directed,
I understand, at Iran]?
Again, the NATO missile shield’s primary target is not Iran, so in
that sense it is not particularly necessary. Indeed, the real target
— Russia — does not necessitate such a BMD system for defensive
purposes either, as it does not adequately protect Romania and the
region from Russia’s weapon system. But what it does do is give
these countries a firm security guarantee that calls for U.S.
expertise and an actual U.S. military commitment on the ground to
support these systems. Therefore it is more of a political move than
a military or technical one. Iran certainly poses its own security
threat (one that is coincidentally propped up by Russia and its
possible sale of S-300 missile systems to Iran), but as you
mentioned, there are other defensive missile systems already in
place to address this threat, and other contingency plans in the
works that aim to deal with this threat if and when it becomes
necessary.
Michael Bird wrote:
Thanks Kyle – email will be fine and if there are any other points
I can follow up
yours sincerely
Michael Bird
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From: Kyle Rhodes
To: michael.bird@thediplomat.ro
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: View from expert – missile shield in Romania
Hi Michael,
We’d be happy to comment on the situation for your magazine.
Are you interested in an email or phone interview?
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michael.bird@thediplomat.ro wrote:
Dear Kyle Rhodes
My name is Michael Bird and I am writing from ‘The Diplomat – Bucharest’
magazine – a monthly English language magazine on politics, business and
security issues in Romania.
We are now writing an article on the implications of the new security
shield planned for Romania – and it would be great if we could gain a
brief view of a security expert from Stratfor on this new decision for the
country.
We would ideally like an answer at the end of play Tuesday 23rd February
[USA].
What are the wider implications of the missile shield in Romania on the
security of the Balkan region, especially on relations between NATO states
and the Middle East, as well as on multi-billion euro pipeline projects
[such as Nabucco] planned between the two zones?
Following the announcement of the planned missile shield for Romania, how
necessary is it now for there to be another NATO missile shield [as was
discussed in summits in 2009 and 2008] when the potential threat [from the
east, potentially Iran] is covered by US’s PAA in Romania, Aegis in the
Mediterranean, Israel’s Arrow and while Turkey has its own ABM system
planned [although not directed, I understand, at Iran]?
I hope you can be of help and to hear from you soon,
yours sincerely
Michael Bird
Editor-in-Chief
The Diplomat – Bucharest
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ROMANIA/EUROPE-Commentary Views Massive Migration of Romanian Labor Force as Big National Loss
2013-04-21 00:00 GMT
Commentary Views Massive Migration of Romanian Labor Force as Big National
Loss
Commentary by Ilie Serbanescu: “Migration, a National Tragedy” – Romania
Libera Online
Thursday August 4, 2011 16:41:02 GMT
One might say that these calculations, which show the contribution of the
Romanian workers to the development of other countries, and not of
Romania, have no relevance because the economic disaster in Romania pushed
them to migrate, and their country could only offer them poverty if they
had the bad idea to return home. Yet, I cannot help making such
calculations when I hear the officials saying that the Romanians who work
abroad contribute to the financing of the country’s balance of payment and
to its development with the money they send home. I even want to make
these calculations to reject their stupid attempt to claim that black is
white and loss is gain!
The almost three million Romanians who work abroad (according to the
estimations in the survey carried out by the Soros Foundation) are in fact
people in their prime (aged between 18 and 40), in full biological,
physical, and mental capacity, perfectly fit to work and create. Those
three million people represent about 40% of Romania’s labor force in that
age group. Is the fact that 40% of Romania’s adult labor force work for
other countries, and not for their own, a gain or a loss?! Apart from the
purely concrete aspect of the loss consisting in the fact that those
people pay no contribution to the Romanian pension and health systems, we
are talking about an incommensurable and unrecoverable loss for our
country’s productive and creative capacity, for its national substance,
and for its status in Europe and in the world. One very suggestive word
can describe that situation: it is a tragedy! A tragedy which is
officially presented as a contribution to the financing of Romania’s
balance of payments and to its development!
The sums of money sent to their home country by the Romanians who work
abroad do not represent such a big contribution, not only in a
philosophical sense, and on a long-term basis, but also in a prosaic
sense, and on a short-term basis! They only represent a very small part of
the contribution Romanians who work abroad make to the development of
other countries, and the sums of money sent to Romania are so small that
they do not make the slightest contribution to the development of
Romania’s economy. Those sums of money are not used to start new
businesses in Romania, or to make important private investments. Most of
that money is spent for consumption purposes in the hypermarkets opened by
foreigners in Romania. In other words, that money is spent for the
foreigners’ profit in our country instead of being spent directly in the
foreigners’ countries, and therefore Romania does not benefit from it at
all!
One last remark. Based on the fact that about 80% of the money saved by
the Romanians who work abroad is kept in foreign banks (about 100 billion
euros, which is approximately four times more than the money kept in banks
by their fellow countrymen in Romania), I have heard some people say that
special banking products should be promoted in order to make that
situation more favorable to the Romanian banks. The problem is that the
banks in Romania are subsidiaries of foreign banks, and therefore it makes
no difference whether Romanians keep their money in banks abroad or in
Romania! Even Romanians who are (still) in Romania keep their money in
foreign banks, because there are no more Romanian banks in Romania! This
aspect, alongside with the massive migration of the Romanian labor force,
demonstrates the same phenomenon: Romania’s dissolution!
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